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Dot in the Sky ([personal profile] dotinthesky) wrote2005-02-17 11:10 am
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So Old, So Gone...



There are two types of Suede fans in my opinion. First, there's the kind who believe Dog Man Star to be their best album, who think everything went crap after Bernard Butler left, and who deep-down hoped for the band's return-to-form. Not everyone in this group necessarily expected the same things from Suede, or loved them for the same reasons. Nevertheless, just the idea of Brett Anderson and Bernard Butler playing together again was enough to make their bony legs quiver.

Then, there's the second type of Suede fans: a small minority who actually saw some sense when the band recruited a keyboard player, who enjoyed the faux-futuristic sound that the new band was trying to shape. They knew that Suede were on shaky ground but, despite some bad ideas like Positivity, they sensed that new blood and new ideas could push the band into unchartered territory. Although they enjoyed Suede's past, they had hopes for the future.

The reason why I fell in love with Suede in the first place was because of the hinted mystery, the tawdry glam scenarios, the surge of adrenaline that accompanied the guitar and Anderson's voice. Animal Nitrate, My Insatiable One, Introducing the Band, Killing of a Flash Boy were a few of the highlights of the Butler/Anderson collaboration. Critics compared Suede to The Smiths because both bands dwelt with the imagination and artistic cohesion. Suede's old incarnation ushered Britpop, while it's later album Head Music announced the arrival of the new electro pop, in much the same way that The Smiths created so many copies during the 80s up until now.

Last night, Type 1 Suede fans were in heaven. Butler and Anderson on stage, together again, performing brand new songs from their band The Tears. Songs that veered straight back into Suede's old pedestrian world, song titles that left no mistake about who had created them.

Type 2 Suede fans, like myself, were disappointed. Where were the new ideas? Where was the new sound? Where were the good songs? When Anderson introduced a song called Beautiful Pain, I wanted to thrown my Kronenberg can on his head. Hadn't we already had Beautiful Ones and Beautiful Losers in Suede? Aren't there other words in the dictionary? An unoriginal song title only served to highlight the lack of original songs. There was the expected piano ballad, the choruses with "la la la", the shake of a tambourine. Then Anderson flung his water bottle into the crowd and hit... me!

Things weren't all that bad. Because the songs were unfamiliar to me, I still hope that on hearing them on CD I might "get it". Also, Anderson and Butler were both visibly nervous and trying to impress - never a good combination. And maybe, in the studio, Butler's production values will override the tepidness of some of the songs and bring out something more interesting in them.

I went to see The Tears hoping to find artists engaged in new sounds, experimentation, or at least adventure. I wanted Butler to dazzle us with his guitar, for Anderson to show us he could move on from Suede's imagined world. What I found were two guys sharing the stage like middle-aged prima donnas, chasing the dragon from years ago. They left me unmoved, but maybe that's because in the last 13 years I have grown up too.

v

[identity profile] blackhallgreen.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 12:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I found them amazing live, tho had heard all the songs (bar 2) before hand on the net - it's v hard to listen to 12-13 new songs and love them all - they need to grow on you. Personally for me the Ednburgh gig was one of the best concerts i've been to in ages. I think if they loose a few of the weaker tracks the album is going to be a classic.

There are songs that resemble suede from both eras
Apollo 13, lovers and A love as strong as death are typical Anderson/Butler era

but Imperfection/Autograph/2 Creatures have a very post Bernard sound to them.

We're in a unique position that we are fans of a band with no records out yet - I rarely enjoy gigs where i don't know the bands material - wait til you hear the album and you'll be eating your words!

Re: v

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
wait til you hear the album and you'll be eating your words!

I really hope so! :)

[identity profile] thelma-viaduct.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 01:03 pm (UTC)(link)
That'a an brilliant reveiew.

Me, I'm a type 2 fan :)

[identity profile] ex-stanza602.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Reunions like this never work on the first album. You'd probably need to see two albums before they find their sound (either again or anew).

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
The question is: will this be a side project/one-off or a long-term commitment?

[identity profile] ex-stanza602.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah I dunno. They'll obviously draw quite a following due to their pedigree and maybe that'll be enough to convince 'em to stick it out for a while.

[identity profile] tonight-we-fly.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I bet you made that up just to make me feel better, and really they were brilliant.

I did't realise it had been that long since The Drowners, I feel like I've grown up by about three years since then.

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
They weren't brilliant, but good. It's ok for some bands, but it should not be the standard for them!

[identity profile] combat-slasher.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 01:34 pm (UTC)(link)


I think "Refugees" and "Fallen Idol" are very good songs.

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Was "refugees" supposed to be in the last Suede album? I remember reading something around that time about a song which talked about refugees.

[identity profile] combat-slasher.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)


"Refugees" was mentioned in "Love And Poison", but I think it's the same lyrics put to different music.

[identity profile] 4q.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I love the review and the way it was written, myself I have never been a fan of suede, perhaps if I gave them a listen now I might like them, but meh. I already listen to enough bands

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
There's hardly anything "punk" about them, so I'm not surprised. :)

I got caught up because of their gay innuendo in the beginning of their career, and have been there ever since. I love them, but I wish they'd grow into new, different, music.

[identity profile] 4q.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
hey! I dont just like punk music! but I know you know that already darling

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah! But no matter how many different genres you like, isn't your heart in punk?

[identity profile] 4q.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
its true. I would say maybe oi more then punk, but they both have a huge huge part in everything.

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
That's why I love you so much. <3

[identity profile] 4q.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I have some cds to make for you once my stupid ass burner gets fixed...

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Aw! As soon as I get my own laptop, I'm going to bury you in a diluge of cds. :)

[identity profile] 4q.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
ha ha! yay! one of the cds I want to make you has such an amazing mix of songs but a few you already have, but it makes for a good cd so you might get them anyway

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I've got Chinese Takeaway in at least two cds! So no worries there... :P

[identity profile] 4q.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
ha ha! yay!

you will get buzzcocks again as well!!

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Luv them!

Dude, I really want the Epoxies!! If you could exchange that with me I'd be in heaven.

[identity profile] 4q.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
do you listen to vinyl?

I can get you the album on vinyl!?!

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-18 10:22 am (UTC)(link)
I wish I did! I don't have a vinyl player. :(

[identity profile] 4q.livejournal.com 2005-02-18 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)
well don't worry I will get it for you!

[identity profile] 4q.livejournal.com 2005-02-18 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
ha ha i believe it's called a record player, and no an Epoxies Cd!!

I was listening to the summer mix you made me last night. I usually try and do themes for my cds I make but man I like the crazy mixes too. I am goingto have to try and do some crazy mixes!

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-18 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I love crazy mixes... go nuts on me!

[identity profile] 4q.livejournal.com 2005-02-18 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
weeeeeeeee

cant wait!

[identity profile] dilvalicious.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Dog Man Star is my fave Suede album

[identity profile] dilvalicious.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
so is that good, or bad?

*LOL*

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Good! There's no bad in this situation.

[identity profile] dilvalicious.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
okay

[identity profile] dilvalicious.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 03:38 pm (UTC)(link)
no, i like their other albums too, but dog man star is dstill my fave!

(I had to go back and re read your entry, and I do not agree with the type 1 mentality)

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Type 1s like the other albums too, but hold Dog Man Star waaaaay above the rest.

[identity profile] dilvalicious.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
it has nothing to do with anything, other than me relating to a bunch of the tracks at a certain time in my life

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
That's what a Type 1 would say in an argument. :P

[identity profile] dilvalicious.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
stop it!!!!

Stop!
Stop! Stop!

*LOL*

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I know what you mean... that year was particularly good for me. It was my senior year in High School, and it was a sort of soundtrack for our nights during the weekends.

[identity profile] suede.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved the gig, and the most I listen to their songs the more I like them.And I am not a butler type of fan :D

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Hopefully I'll change my opinion when the singles and album come out!

[identity profile] suede.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Hope so :D

[identity profile] gorecky22.livejournal.com 2005-02-17 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Like you, I should be considered a Type 2 Suede fan... and what I've read about The Tears gig make me feel there's not gonna be new ideas. Don't now if there will be good songs... but you can be sure that they aren't trying to make "a new sound".

¿In it for the money? Maybe, but at least they could try to improve their sound... to make something interesting... if they still can.

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-18 10:25 am (UTC)(link)
My guess is that they are chasing their muses, hoping to revive the glories of their early years.

[identity profile] ataxi.livejournal.com 2005-02-22 07:21 am (UTC)(link)
About Suede in recent years virtually nothing has been more commented upon than Anderson's vocab problems. He doesn't move on from the same old images, the same old metaphors.

Type 1 fan here.

Sad to hear that the lyrics haven't taken a turn for the better. Will still dig the Tears though, in all likelihood.

[identity profile] commonpeople.livejournal.com 2005-02-22 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Same here... I will wait to make a final judgement when I hear their album. But, based on the live show, I'm not that excited or hopeful.